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This is an interview by Ray and Doris Atchison with Howard F. McCord of Central Alabama May XIV, Yes. Let's go back and think of your days at Howard College and some of your teachers and experiences that you had there. Well I could since my father had

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moved to uh, back several years earlier than our school years. Uh, I had an opportunity to just ramble around the place, especially in the summertime and it was, it was a mysterious place to me. But I had a lot of respect because my father attended Howard

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and married. What did your father do? He was a baptist minister. He has attended pastored so many many churches. In fact, I have a copy of his auto. Oh yes. And just just recently, in fact at the, at the Alabama baptist start the man next to

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me at the table. We're from Albertville. I told them my father was passion in the church and just before he left he said we are going to have a centennial in september and I'm going to mention to my pastor as soon as I get back. But

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two days later I got a letter from the pastor and he invited me to come to the centennial and he said, he says you will be a special guest and said if you, there's two days where to go the first night, he said it might be

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even better for you to come the night before and we'll take care of. But we will make a nice. That was your father the pastor there at one time. What was he doing in East Lake? He getting ready for boys to go through. But he wasn't

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living in East Lake was he? He moved, he moved from Albertville in 1900 uh two ish like and he had already built a home then before he began to not ramble because that's just what he wanted. But his his his parents, he moved his powers from

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county into the home that he had already built their issue. And I said just three blocks from the college. And so you went back getting ready for his boys and we finished up our elementary work there in the school And my brother graduated in 96. Was

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that Carrie Carrie who became the M. D. Yes that's right. And then I in 1910 I have had a flower up with my lungs and then you know back in that time tv was very. Oh yes and show the doctor said system accord always enjoyed and

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appreciated. A doctor would say he was a member of our church there. But my father, I don't expose you said his membership was wherever he was, every priest. So this was dr Barrett said sister record. I would suggest that you as you sent howard either to

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the coast and let him breathe salt. Oh send him to them to the woods and let him let him breathe pine from the triggers and so forth. So my mother had an uncle here in in the county and I spent two years down here at a

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sawmill just like just like I used to say words like ***, don't say that. But then I went back and finished. My brother then was four years ahead of me when it should have been just to see how ages for two years apart. We we had,

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I had and I remember my elementary working to grant became principal of the school. Well he went to the school as some of the yes and I attended elementary school. Well he's listed in this afternoon. Oh yeah, you, you graduated and and got a, what am

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I gonna say? What did you get to go to L. A. An A. B. Degree. No, your finances scholarship scholarship. You got a scholarship to Harvard. It was, I don't remember now but he says it was in journalism and was very seldom used yourself. And he

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studied went to Harvard when he came back. Why this Superintendent of education in schools had known him before and he asked him to take the job at the Barrett school in. Yes, I know where that is. You know, So he and I attended there for some

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elementary and I mean then later he was that of the school. So when I got to talking and I got ahead and then I forget what I was talking about to start. But and they we're talking about howard college. Yes. And your experiences at Howard what?

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Howard college was like during your days you went in, I don't remember. It seems to me like Got in a few years that I didn't get at some intermediate school. We went we went to the 8th grade in this bad school And he must have gone

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on somewhere about the 10th because when I got back from the sawmill uh We entered together, you graduated 1910 and I, you immediately want to Harvard I and cheddar earlier and I'm about to digress now my three brothers each announced what he was gonna make

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of his life. Terry said I'm gonna be a civil engineer, turned out to be a I said I'm gonna be a farmer And apparently I step two of course I have a question 25 years I guess of my like at school here in in bibb county

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some of it and build and some in jefferson. And Then in 1933 I like it to be 23 years exactly. From my graduation In 1933 I was appointed to in in this county by the point of agriculture to a new program. one of those things that

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Franklin Roosevelt put out to get the country out of the red and it's still going, still going, I was administrative officer For the entire county part of that particular and worked on that 25 years and retired in 1858 I thought about last night, Doctor right, went

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to Howard College, Was it in 1858, 1958, 1915. And that's the retired. I still did a little farming but Planet decided to plant what land we had in pies. It was just a few field over there next to the, how many acres do you have in

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this? It's boiled down now too to less than 30 acres because uh the most interesting thing about it was and here again to begin to address when I married our marriage, the only remaining child, daughter of course of the Cleveland family. And she even was there

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with her mother and father. They were getting old. But she married on this homestead, this place, this house place and there were several 100 acres. Yeah, And there were seven Children. So we went to Birmingham out from Birmingham to a place called Loving. I went to

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work for, Hey, right, manufacturing Stevenson and were married in and and much a year from then, Word came one day mother she had. So we came down to them. There's another story that goes with that too. Uh And on the way back to Randolph after the

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funeral, two days later, Mr Cleveland asked me would I give up my work, come back down with Irene and keep the house over with him. He was here by himself about 70 then. Well, I I thought about it quite a bit. Well, I told him I

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would And I've been here ever since. I've been here 59 years there. He died six years later died, lived just six years after his wife died. And as came in, I mean they had a meeting and in the nation came out of the meeting because I

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wasn't allowed to attend because I was Oh yeah. Oh Lord. They, one of them told me. He said besides that you wanted going into some other endeavor. In other words, they were in a way where they were just missing. And my wife and I, it didn't

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bother us too much and we didn't leave immediately. We just didn't wrap. Just didn't pay any attention to them. Well we were assured that many, but they didn't they didn't give us what a deadline of getting out. So in a matter of That's 4, 5, 6

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months. one of them came and said, we've had another meeting. We realized that's what you did for our father. It was a great sacrifice for you. I was well established up there and have a future with this brick brick company. And I wasn't farming anymore. So

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he said we want to want to give you the own flesh instead of just just reach out as far as you feel like you need it from the homestead house and choose your Anchorage and well did it to you? Yeah, I've been here 59 years. Of

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course I was at first I wasn't very happy with the fact that they were dismissing because I hadn't made a sacrifice. You you can farm and get along well. They used to say the farmer lost money every year, but it went right on next year. And

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somehow I don't know how they did it because I what about Michelle like this this place had I said several 100 acres and there was possibly 100 acres open and passion open land and the rest of us in Woodland show up when I My wife died

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and when I was here I said about 12 years more before my daughter came and I had more than more physical defects. Finally, while I was in the hospital in mobile one time play there it came in, she said father, we're gonna move in with him.

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And I just straightened up in bed and says thanks. So it went from from good to go every every day every day now where had mary and her husband been living? Uh husband was an Air Force Lieutenant Colonel and retired. He was at the pentagon at

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this time just before this and they retired immediately retired to mobile because my other daughter was there and it seemed convenient for them. Should I, My son in law said, God called me, he had brought some stuff down from um Washington stuff that they wouldn't risk

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anybody was in the car. And he called me and I says welcome to the fraternity of retired. He says retired methods. I'm just changing jobs. So he did get first one job to another. And so he made a sacrifice to come up here. You don't always

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find jobs around right now. He is making some special study of this Williamson. Sure, but he has has has done a lot of which itself jobs which the place needed. And when mary says we're gonna move in with you, I had earlier insisted that the girls

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let me divide the place and let each one have a part. So there hadn't been a along until they decided to do that. Show that mary and ship in making any changes could make it on their own land. So then there I was a man without

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a home. I wasn't very conducive I should think not. So that's the way things went Well now you have, how many other Children you have married? And Lynn L and then L two daughters, two daughters, eight grandchildren and 412 45 great grandchildren. Now, Lynel lives where

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mobile mobile, that's why mary and said retired two mobile. Well it seemed natural that they should be close to each other than to uh now we've carried him through his life, haven't we? Until? Pretty much Now let's go back and put your memory back to howard

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college and let's think of the days there again and what life, campus life was like and academic life you said earlier that you were an english major. Why did you become an english major? I had no I had no plans. I still wanted to be a

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part and my father was not able nor did I ever pressure to send me to an agricultural school and so farming was more or less just I told him I hope do you have other brothers? Did you have other brothers other than Kerry is carry deceased?

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Yes. Yeah. He died three years three years ago. Did he practice medicine in michigan? Where was he? He was in michigan. He he never practiced medicine a day in his life or he didn't, he used to say that and was proud of when when this doctor

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dr Malcolm christian homes and he met in Mexico and that established with the mexicans when well it was a mexican border I believe you. But anyway Carrie was in the reserve and and was put on duty and he and his doctor served side by side through

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this war and this doctor told him of his thinking of on the second line. He says I want to introduce something new and says we'll start off by calling it a preventive medicine. It later came out as in just high achievement. In other words, the last

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25, 30 years of my brother's life was spent with the crash inc he had had during the time that he was trying to adjust himself to the death of his man who lived on a one year that's Malcolm christian on only one year after they got

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back and started and there he was with something he knew absolutely nothing about. And he had, he had to do something. So he established a small place just taken care of people who were hurt. They bring me right in the heart of the the Chrysler corporation

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people. No, no. Uh this this is before that they he had this, I was a clinic And then he stretched out, he had two trips to Guatemala. The uh, shit, she lie and tickle. So the, the Guatemalan government asked him to come down and do something

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and then he went to Portugal for some someone, he was in hygiene. Then Chrysler had, we're having all this poison and the men dying dying dying and they sent for him. And when he, when he got, when I say cleared up, got the thing cleared up.

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But he made an impression on them to the extent that they asked him what he continue on as head of the laboratory work, which he did. And that means she moved from Cincinnati to Detroit and was in there in their plants here in all over the

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country. And he just about cleared up the problem of the paint. Uh, the paint men who did the painting were most vulnerable. But there's little of it all over the plant, you see. And he go he go, he go to California and go to new york

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to plants that they had him. So at age 65 it was mandatory that he was, he did and he said he thought once he might come to Alabama automobile maybe and settled down as a dermatologist and we shall be seven after never practicing one day then

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he was going all at once be practicing and have been having them patrons. So he he gave up that idea. And the university of michigan who who was his alma mater for following, they told him to come back and they would establish a chair in industrial

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hygiene and they would give him, yeah, did I say chair, that's the term that they use. That's right. That's right. So that's where he spent all this time for from 65 to 70 and 70. Was was there a mandatory retirement? But they told him if you'll

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stay on will give you an office secretary access to our and whatever else you want and we'll give you a dollar a year. And so that's itself. And he was there perhaps 70 80. Nice. It was about 92 is that and very, very productive. He, in

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the meantime, during all this time he had and his family, we're not happy. They seem to be too far from from anything that they knew anything about start with. So he bought a place Glendale how which is sort of civil of Cincinnati, it's about 12 miles

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out and his wife died died of cancer. He would go back and forth from ann arbor to Glendale on occasion. Wouldn't go every week if we were going up the ability to come down and join us. Uh He lived lived there and then all at once

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he had uh he stumbled and fell and he couldn't even walk again. He said his feet his feet weren't big enough to hold up his body the way he expected. And meantime they had in this whole and a felon home had a long Set of steps

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going to the 2nd story and for his wife's sake he put in one of these mechanical step you just sit down roger and so he gives that. But he his only daughter was in Appleton of this country. He had two sons, 1 died quite young. Yeah

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son's widow lived in michigan. He had a son who was also adopted. Both sons and doctors brunette in Cincinnati and they persuaded him to come over to let them take him forward to Appleton. Wisconsin not to go into the home of but to go into a

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nursing. My sister and I visited. Yeah I'm just we visited visited him in april and he died in october. That's the last time we got said alive And I told myself, well we're interested in your family now. You said there are three brothers did we talk

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about the third one. You and Carrie and the third one we didn't talk. I said I had three brothers that would make four of us, Uh Kerry was two years my senior then there was boy to age 14. He injured his knee. They're in Birmingham is

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doing on Saturdays. He worked at a place like say as a rapper. Boy Cash Waters the engine is needed you. That caused age 14. The last of the youngest boy It was four years. My junior we went we went in two years space between these to

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what? So he'll he'll retired at age 65 and seven. And central always said he would he didn't he didn't ask me to take him. Yeah, home down. Later married. Later house very final home and a very fine family. She was really, he was joseph city. The

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2nd 1 was James named for his father. James Milton. Then I wish and not population Rather than when I was 12 years old. Much water. And she was born. And that makes the place a little more. She's still living. She's living in Missouri, not far from

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Jackson. Little bit farther from Cape Gerardo. She married a a man who was a native of there and when he died they live together 20 years, maybe 25 when he died than my younger brother, youngest brother who was living here and married. And I began to

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discuss it. I said of course then the mayor will come live with me. Well he says you're crazy. She's gonna live with me. See I was the youngest and said, I'm entitled to that sort of, and when we approached her about it, she says, you're both

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crazy. She says, I have lived longer up here amongst these people. Then in other words, more than half my life has been spent right here and said it would be foolish for me to change husband had left property, left farm and left, left a string of

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lots on them. Fast development. She didn't have to worry about finances. This tape continues after about a four minute pause. No, he came later. Didn't, he came later as march into chapel in your uniforms. Came

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later as when I first knew Dean Burns, I wasn't old enough to go to college and then Burns Then to us had had done it one Sunday with my mother's sister, mrs Bundy, Which would have been down about 1776 Street and first Avenue North First Avenue,

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North Second avenue because the streetcar first. That's right. Uh, he was there along with maybe his father, uh, a bunch. Yeah. That's when you first met him. First saw, uh, he was, he was, he was just uh, overgrown young man. This was he from Birmingham. I

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don't know. I think his, his father was, was like my father as Kerry said in the blind. My father always thought there were more summers in the next town than there was when he was, he wouldn't stay in place over three years more. That's the reason

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he moved more centers in the next time was Dean Burns Father a preacher also. That's right. That's right. And his nickname was Buddy, buddy. He and my father bosom companions. They're never, it even impressed me in those younger days. And I found in this history that

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I fixed up, I found that my father was in his biography. He when he was resigned, evidently the church said, would you suggest somebody and it should just play a bunch. So that was Percy's father Father. So jim McCord preached and retired. A Barnes became a

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new pastor. I'm satisfied to work that way. And I don't think that any church and maybe optimistic any church regretted getting buddy buns to follow. Um, what was your father's specialty as a preacher? Was he an archer or was he a pastor? What was the secret

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of his success as I think it was a pastor. And I thought about have been thinking of some things when they would call on me at this centennial in Albertville that I would tell about the time when one of his numbers are ready became ill and

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as usual he went to see him A day or two later. She was pronouncing small parts. So immediately my father in law of this house was quarantined and and we stayed behind the fence behind the and in the house Maybe two or 3 weeks. My father

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had some arrangement where with who had a delivery outfit to bring up. So and so and to go by the and he would come come in the alley and stop at a big date there, open the gate and put his stuff just inside the gate, close

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the gate, get back into his, whatever you call was pulled by horse and went in the car, uh get back in his wagon and blew his horn and I was in the car. It was a cattle horn. He'd blow his horn and when the door opened

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and anybody started out, he left as the nearest connection he ever got to. The people who never did have. Was your father a pastor of a church while you were living in East Lake. Yes, that's a good question. My father moved back and then he would

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have churches that he could reach. I don't remember how he got too trustful if you could get to trust with all most of the time you get the depot in Birmingham. So he probably had an arrangement with somebody with a horse and buggy. He didn't own

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a horse and buggy. Not not while he gives that he owned the horse and buggy. He owned a horse and buggy and fair. Your own horse and buggy. And being up and you're on the arch and dug in at the last place. When did I mention

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that I had a flare up with my lungs. Oh yes he had to come down here. Yes, yes, my father and that was the first time. The second time the flare up came. My father was a pastor and failed. He gave up, he came back and

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out to love which was still in jefferson County. He says to leeds and built a house and then he passed it attention, fresh room chop chop. But now it's still I think it's still chock full, isn't it? It is. Well, maybe so, maybe there was something

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else. But his, his autobiography shows a number of churches in jefferson County that I didn't know anything about. Well, now, let me ask you more about that autobiography. You have only one copy of that? Yes, you do. I have only one. But I have made you

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have zero churches. Yeah, I have. Does Howard College or Sanford have a copy of that autobiography. We ought to have one for the you know, that room up there, where we have a special collection? Yes, we should have a copy of that for the special collection.

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For a special collection. Well, when when I get it, I'm gonna ask her, I have a to get it out to get out some other other things sometimes to to to get out the autobiography to get out the the record of this ordination Old West Side

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Church need a Xerox copy of things. That's right, That's right. And There was some 3rd I should picture, I told him that I had that. I have a picture of my father that was made In 1898. He was pastor there In 1898, 1899. But we were

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really which wasn't near discussed The First Part of 1898. And my father took the whole train over the hospital. I had this good. There's a picture of that. I don't see a picture of that. That mayor has that picture to all of the family, father, mother

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and the four boys. Mary was born in 1900 after we got counted. Well, well would pay to have copies of the autobiography and all that other we needed for the special collection at Samford, the Alabama baptist, historical, yes, that would be fine. Yes. Any of that

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material? Well enough when I got sorry for the first time, going through some records and there were names down there sign as the church officials. And I said, well, I have heard my grandfather who used to be a memory of this church side. And uh, and

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my father and they were mission names just suggested that I, I'd say, well somebody here that I see every day. I say my pastor said like I told you and I said, well that that's, that's the names I heard and it made no impression as a

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child, a tiny child. But the, those things, those things are all, yeah. Oh, absolutely valuable. We would really appreciate having copies of any of this material, you know for the historical collection there we'll check with mary about that. Now let's talk we don't want to wear

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you out. But let's talk for a few minutes about your book Baptists of bibb county. Now what I'm interested in is something that you might say to us that is not in the book because we you know we have the book and all this massive material.

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It's a splendid book. But is anything that you could tell us about the book or compiling and working with it about the book of uh something that's not not in the book. Uh I thought of something that's noon lunch hour today which I don't think is

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in there at all. Uh When I read dr Reed's history of uh Doctor Who is our secretary. Dr bagley dr dr dr George bagley bagley gave me a copy of that. He says you're writing History says we're gonna send you. Yes. And immediately uh my book

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came off he says tell I'm looking for one of those. Well uh dr bagley wrote I mean dr Reed wrote a lot of things that to me well I open it now earlier I had found and among this author and that office material found things about

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the primitive and they would use certain terms like uh like uh okay when when they when they came a split and the split was over one thing over over musical instruments in the church. Uh what would you know really about the two groups of primitive? Well,

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I got the church, one was called the church of christ. The other was called the christian church. And and this this this musical thing. Yes and no separated too. That was a distinction in the two. Yes, sir. That's right. So I six miles church was a

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church of Christ and it was confusing to people who think of the present day Church of Track and has no connection whatsoever. And they asked me up there one day at homecoming, they said, what what is the church of christ mean? I said, I think it

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was just a and extra affirmation of the faith of the people to say we are the church of christ that something like that they had had no nothing. So Doctor Dr Reid cleared it up. And I of course when I when I didn't use a chapter

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or section of the book, I mean on on this perimeter I lost all that. But I did take the material which was just ready for manuscript and turned it over to Mr and it's in the in the special collection. And he wrote me back acknowledging it

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and he said, if you want to refer to this, use this file number he gave me. So I told mary right there in our book of addresses, phone numbers. So for you right dr mr address now then get back uh a little further along we we

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had no no references and our counties association records of any any verse of breaks uh caused by the premature. But as I read and read and read, I found that one church uh Macedonia Constituted in 1840 was shown to have joined the Tuscaloosa Association, 18 for

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you the same year. They touched you. Then in 10 years, late 1850 they joined the what what what was the association over in Children's County? Mhm. For a long time. It was Children something Children Children unity. Now that's not right. They they No, no that's that's

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not it. Well, we'll have to check it. I don't recall for the moment anyway. Uh 10 years later they moved over there and I can never know whether it was to try to get to a more down to earth uh old fashioned baptist or if you're

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trying to get onto the primitive anyway. And finally, the association appointed began to appoint a committee each year to look into the affairs of Macedonia and see what health could be rendered. And they report the next year that they had uh given pointless and had contributed

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some other minister and had given some uh new testaments, things like that. And finally, About 1859. Now, you understand, I'm I'm keeping something in mind back over In 1859. There was no record showing. But there was, hey, check a new church premature baptist church way back

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over close to the Tuscaloosa county life. Uh, and the first and only record we had of Macedonia, primitive baptist church was in a in association, Primitive Baptist Association of the Year 1861. And it showed Macedonia well. And then then our group back over here in this

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original showed Each year weaker and weaker and in 1867 it doesn't show, but we can never find anymore record of them to just disappear. But in 1867 Mulberry, I said over west because it was down low pond down there was student And we said that's a

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movie west was 18 18 67 was was constituted and was pipe. Come in. Bless your heart. They want us to stop for a moment and give him a rest. Oh, that was a family. It used to be a bit. Is that picture in here? Is it

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reproduced in here? Is it, is that that's a six mile. Look right there, there's a question I need to ask you about. They baptist here. What has been most distinctive about the baptist here in county? Don't fall, don't fall there. Have the baptist done anything that's

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different here from baptist and other associations in the state in your reading. Have you come across anything that the Baptists have done here? That would be different from the Baptists in other counties and other associations in the state. I wouldn't, there's not anything in particular outstanding.

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That the baptist built county have contributed to the state. It would be different from other Baptists and other counties. Can't think of whether whether it be anything different or not. Um I have a very interesting thing in this book. Ah The man is a great uncle

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of mine but that that's not the important part. Uh huh. He was one of the first men in the carrier that went to education. He went to, you went to how in college that down there mary and the war broke out and he this whole class

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and the teacher. Oh volunteer you say he was an uncle, your great uncle and he came back was one of the few I had had another great who didn't come back. He's buried somewhere in Virginia but back during maybe I was still in and Howard college

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one commencement the howard rendered post human a degree, a bachelor's degree to this man and delivered to his son who was there, who was then living a degree a copy of of the diploma diploma. His name was, what subtle his name was. We're settled. Uh he

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was an attorney here but his, his granddaughter has, well I I said I didn't know whether to put this. Oh no christian education. That's, this was, this was done about six months before my father moved throughout. So that's the picture I'm gonna send. Now we have

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somewhere a picture of my father and it shows my shoulder on the picture shows my shoulder But I thought I'd just send this this and tell them that if they can get it off. Is this you right here? I can't see nine years. My father. When

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was that photo made? 18, 19, 1819. And there's your father. This is the family. The entire family. Except my sister who was born in, in which one is the boy who died early. No, The one who hurt his knee and he's leaning up against his mother

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with a saintly smile. Yes. Oh, here's the one who died hurt his knee and died. Your father was very distinguished looking. Wasn't he handsome? Very distinguished more mustache. That is 20 25th day of May 1910 19. Is the date on that? And it has a little

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hard to read those signatures. But look at all of that. That's it. Surely is. That's amazing because I found my father's diploma 1979. It's around here somewhere, but it's almost gone. It was real sheepskin. Well, that's what we were wondering because this is held up so

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beautifully. That has really held up, hasn't it? That's amazing mary. Under, under this, Under the trail there. I wanted to show Rae, did you get a copy of the license story about six miles. No, I did not. Is this the one that's based upon the Master's

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thesis? No, no, this is enough. No, I did not. That I have. That's quite recent. Oh, this is a recent one. Let's see. What is the date on this. Well she autographed it in 81 for you 81. I don't see a date publication date in the

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book. But that would be it. Her name is uh Langston and lives here in Centerville. Six miles echoes of six miles. Oh that's a that's an interesting book. Yes. Now look there are some of the pictures that in my book, Six Mile Academy. The ones that

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you furnished. See these pictures are the same ones that in fact her mother let me have. Oh I see she's added some more pictures eyebrows. The 1st 50 yet 1st 50 years. Um Then who wrote that? Mr Abrams who wrote the history of the mulberry church

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ulysses, Huey Abrams um He's he's writing This, he was writing this for that part of Children County. That from 1818 to 1815, belong to County. And this is 50 years. And is this a history of the baptist or just the history of the county? Oh yeah.

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Well listen we have something else for me to see another book. The index, the cemetery records. And just a few days after the book went out an index. How nice somebody to index. She just have the name of the person. You mind if I if I

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make an index just for my own. Oh uh you have more copies of this. Yes we want you. Well I'll uh yes and if the library doesn't have it, I'll xerox copy for the library, that will be fine. I appreciate that. That would be fine. Oh,

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one other question I wanted to ask you that we don't wanna keep you just keep asking questions. Uh Do you know anything about Pelham Heights? Pelham Heights was our first baptist assembly ground. And I talked to Professor chapman about this years ago. He was instrumental in

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getting the baptist too, having an encounter at Pelham Heights. Professor James, he talked to me about this and he was instrumental in this. Did you ever attend Pelham Heights at first Assembly? My father and I went there. Ah My father went there and spent the whole

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time. He did. I went, I mean one summer and I with maybe Hugh Grant, we went down on the train. And my goodness is quite a walk from the depo Well now let's see where would that have been that train coming through there? Be over there

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at Helena, wouldn't it? Uh I think that uh matters not far from where? Where is is? That's over there? That's over there on the highway. Yes, that's right. You can see the mountain, the mountain top, right where more than Hanley is located. That's where you had

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Pelham Heights right now. What did you have up there By way of physical facilities. What you remember about the buildings. What was up there? And they had a tank of water here, you can see it was crude and of course I didn't go into any of

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the bedrooms, but did they have cottages? Little cottages or tents? I'm trying to remember. I think, I think what I saw was I think that Professor chapman said they had tents and then some of the people were supposed to have built little cottages, little individual cottages.

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They were supposed to purchase the land or something like that. I'd have to review my notes on it the first time I saw dr chapman was there. Oh at it seems to me he has a daughter, I don't remember about but Callum Heights didn't last very

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long, didn't last long. And and then the baptist met in Shelby County and then later, then later they met in Mentone stuff. That was one of my great at at Mentone. You know, they're restoring Mentone, the old hotel at Mentone, he and our english majors and

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we know about what is known as unity, but we get some of our best material when we stray from the point, but we get back to it. The only problem that we have on these interviews sometimes is the person who takes the tape uh and reproduce

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this, transcribes it. She'll call us up and say uh what were you talking about here? You know, what was this? Uh One question I wanna ask you how many buildings were at Howard college when you went there? Mhm. Let's see, man. two, they would, wouldn't they

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be To don matures? There were three dominant tours. There was a rental hall then that was my when I there's been another one since then when it was money. You hall a dormitory at that time. The library library, that was a building that was a building

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before rainfall, which I remember and you talk about something, it looks about like six Mile Academy or Original. Um Where was it? Right there where renfro was? And you know the the water system that has originally came from the foot of Red Mountain? They had what's

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called a college spring and the water was piped down to the capital. But behind the main building was uh was a uh college jerry College Garden. And the the line had one faucet open up that about the dairy somewhere. And then it came on down into

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the campus And there were two outside uh sausage and one for the kitchen in the dormitory. That's right, one for the kitchen to the and the boys had to take their pictures and go out to one of these outside faucets summer in the winter and fill

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it up, fill up and come back. And and they had had a bowl to unite. All right now there was renfro and montague and maine you remember any other buildings? Uh There were there were three brick dormitory, one of them was used by the uh sigma

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nu fraternity. The other one. dr Dr. Dawson lived in it after you're married. And then there were two more down, one of them had and uh guns, rifles that we practiced. I mean as part of the military And I don't remember the other one just now.

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There was a of building, a brick building over to the right of main that we call the post office building when we were there. Do you suppose that's the house where dr Dawson had lived? He looked pretty old. It was brick, right facing main. It would

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be to the right between maine and money. Well that one was to the right was the uh place the signal used for that. Okay now there was a little building down below Renfro that looked real old. Was that there when you were you don't remember a

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little building down below but somebody mentioned and I think it was was in connection at the dinner of Alabama society society when they were honoring dr right? And they were giving a resident of so forth. Just starting off and they named building besides molecule. That was

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between main and Renfroe. It was It was a pretty big building. A two story building. Was it there? It didn't look new. Well it was it was anything like the signal. You know it was bigger, bigger. I believe they must have torn down that other. That

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was originally. Now that's the one that's the one that I said the house. They they oh the raffles between the signature and money? There was another building just like the signal and dr dr Dawson was on the east side east east north on your left. As

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you walked up from Underwood Avenue And fishing. Was he between uh renfro and Main? Did he live between renfro and Main? He lived at the top of the hill nearest to me and on the side that at the bottom I believe they'd torn that building down

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because that's about where Riley Hall was. And then the gymnasium was constructed just above that. And what material was it was bricks I believe. But it was newer that was a newer buildings in your building. We had we had a gymnasium and it was just about

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where monty hall was. Later. That was used as a well below money U. Haul. There was a big science building. Was that there? When you were there? Nothing below money U. Haul on that side. Well we had our ball field was called W. A barry. Feel

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very filled. Behind. Behind the man behind that. Yes well behind behind the ball field was the dairy in the small house. When our all the classes in Maine there was something you just had to my try to second instead of thinking of the class thinking about

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in the teacher it would be would be I have to do with agriculture challenge. Thanks. I can't think that. I'm not sure do you think of anything else we should ask him? Oh yeah. What what types of things did you do for fun at howard College

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and of course and track. You didn't have football. Ah They didn't have football until laid out there and irish. But we had baseball. Did did you have the streetcar? Did the streetcar line come out there at that time? When when we first got there there was

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a dummy which one that was training Small engines and two or 3 cars which ran from Decima two and made two trips a day and I don't know what they're called. But that was the public transit.